commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 22:19:54 -0400 · Flag
I’ve rewritten my amendment offering to be more specific.

http://tytwolfpac.proboards.com/index.cgi

How’s about a few comments of the new version; the old one is contained in the new.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 21:27:21 -0400 · Flag
Paying attention to all our legislators is needed to get an amendment; state to get a constitutional convention and federal to get a good amendment proposed.

I must confess I thought the states together could propose amendments. Goes to show the results of not doing the proper close reading. At my age it’s hard to admit I missed the facts.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 17:36:34 -0400 · Flag
Richard Tyll.

Hear, Hear! We all must accept our responsibility and duty of citizens. One of those is providing opposition to the inordinate power of money, and the corruption it brings. A suitable work to accomplish that end is an amendment. This one is simple and complete:

[http://tytwolfpac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=28th&action=display&thread=9]

Amendment XXVIII

Section 1. For all constitutional and legal purposes, entities created by operation of law are not persons.
Section 2. No entity or person, other than a citizen, shall be allowed to contribute to any political purpose. All contributions to political purpose shall be made public, with the name of the contributor and amount and nature of the contribution, and the name of the recipient.
Section 3. The Congress shall have power to enforce the provisions of this article by appropriate legislation.

Follow the URL to comment and read comments.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 15:53:33 -0400 · Flag
Barb D.

Actually, most of the offerings include authority for Congress to re-institute those past restrictions. In fact, they have that power now, except for the CU decision.

Any amendment must unequivocally reverse that decision.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 15:49:32 -0400 · Flag
William Falberg.

You might consider including the appropriate URLs with your comments.

http://tytwolfpac.proboards.com/index.cgi
http://www.wolf-pac.com/lamnguyen/pac_members_revision_of_28th_amendment
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 15:44:27 -0400 · Flag
Ara Sahag.

Yes, the amendment as proposed above is lame, weak, and far too personally worded. See the amendments proposed by other members at these URLs:

http://tytwolfpac.proboards.com/index.cgi
http://www.wolf-pac.com/lamnguyen/pac_members_revision_of_28th_amendment

You might think about offering suggestions that fill your concepts at those sites.
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 14:09:12 -0400 · Flag
Here’s the URL that didn’t make it, and nut should be but.

[http://tytwolfpac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=28th&action=display&thread=9]
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-30 14:07:42 -0400 · Flag
Barb.

I think this will answer your objection; the details are important nut a foundation for detail must be laid down first.

Amendment XXVIII

Section 1. For all constitutional and legal purposes, entities created by operation of law are not persons.
Section 2. No entity or person, other than a citizen, shall be allowed to contribute to any political purpose. All contributions to political purpose shall be made public, with the name of the contributor and amount and nature of the contribution, and the name of the recipient.
Section 3. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Go to this URL for some further explanations, also for some objections answered.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-28 22:16:45 -0400 · Flag
Richard Tyll.

Do you think people will be disappointed when they discover there are no candidates for Representative on their ballot on the 2nd of November, 2011?
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-28 14:08:38 -0400 · Flag
Well, the War of Southern Traitors does hold some lessons, most importantly that traitors need to be tried and then hanged, and not allowed to freely resume their oppressions.
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-28 13:12:18 -0400 · Flag
William.

Corporate charters are written by the people incorporating.

At present it would take changes in law in all the states to provide for automatic dissolution for any reason. Conditions might be objective and easily seen or subjective and subject to some overseer review, but there would be some variation among the states.

Corporations conducting business solely for profit already congregate in Delaware because of their laws governing corporations and the tax structure which provides lower taxes.

What you propose would only be possible with uniform, national law governing the rules of incorporation. That is far too much for us to tackle; we’re here for constitutional change.
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-28 11:51:49 -0400 · Flag
William.

Although your concerns with the details of corporate charter and law are interesting, seeing that we have gathered to write a constitutional amendment they are a little premature.

I do know that most of your solutions had been in place at one time and most still are.
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-28 00:27:50 -0400 · Flag
William Falberg.

Almost all of what you discuss about corporate rule is the purview of state law, not the national constitution. At the level of the constitution the best rule is to be broad and generalized. Removing personhood from a broad swath of artificial persons is the goal. Actually naming specific entities will be deleterious to that goal. The KISS principle should hold.
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-27 21:06:16 -0400 · Flag
William Falberg.

From the start corporate charters were limited. Over the years those limits were seen as a block to business growth. We freely allowed the limits to be removed. Now we are experiencing the curse of too much business freedom. Accepting limits on corporate size and scope is worth studying out. It would mean a complete remake of our business environment; smaller, single or limited purpose concerns would become the norm again.

How do we accomplish the task of convincing business that profit is NOT the aim and end point of proper business but service to the community and people. Profit is the means to make a living. The corporate purpose of providing a needed service is the end point.
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-27 15:56:47 -0400 · Flag
I repeat, with emphasis.

I propose a change to the amendment as originally presented and as currently split.

Amendment XXVIII

Section 1. For all constitutional and legal purposes, entities created by operation of law are not persons.
Section 2. No entity or person, other than a citizen, shall be allowed to contribute to any political purpose. All contributions to political purpose shall be made public, with the name of the contributor and amount and nature of the contribution, and the name of the recipient.
Section 3. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I know it’s severe. Everyone will have to individually exercise their duties of citizenship; no more letting the lodge, the club, the union, the business group do the support.

And, of course, no more having entities run our government and politics.

Finally, a Washingtonian society!
commented on PAC Members' Revision of 28th Amendment 2011-10-27 15:47:40 -0400 · Flag
And, of course, no more having the entities run our government and politics.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-27 15:47:12 -0400 · Flag
And, of course, no more having the entities run our government and politics.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-27 15:46:15 -0400 · Flag
I made a boo-boo. Please accept my apologies for not barring ‘entities’ for contributing.

I propose a change to the amendment as originally presented and as currently split.

Amendment XXVIII

Section 1. For all constitutional and legal purposes, entities created by operation of law are not persons.
Section 2. No entity or person, other than a citizen, shall be allowed to contribute money or speech to any political purpose. All contributions to political purpose shall be made public, with the name of the contributor and amount and nature of the contribution, and the name of the recipient.
Section 3. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I know it’s severe. Everyone will have to individually exercise their duties of citizenship; no more letting the lodge, the club, the union, the business group do the support.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-27 15:30:41 -0400 · Flag
I made a boo-boo. Please accept my apologies for not barring ‘entities’ for contributing.

I propose a change to the amendment as originally presented and as currently split.

Amendment XXVIII

Section 1. For all constitutional and legal purposes, entities created by operation of law are not persons.
Section 2. No entity or person, other than a citizen, shall be allowed to contribute money or speech to any political purpose. All contributions to political purpose shall be made public, with the name of the contributor and amount and nature of the contribution, and the name of the recipient.
Section 3. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I know it’s severe. Everyone will have to individually exercise their duties of citizenship; no more letting the lodge, the club, the union, the business group do the support.
commented on 28th Amendment 2011-10-27 15:30:40 -0400 · Flag
I made a boo-boo. Please accept my apologies for not barring ‘entities’ for contributing.

I propose a change to the amendment as originally presented and as currently split.

Amendment XXVIII

Section 1. For all constitutional and legal purposes, entities created by operation of law are not persons.
Section 2. No entity or person, other than a citizen, shall be allowed to contribute money or speech to any political purpose. All contributions to political purpose shall be made public, with the name of the contributor and amount and nature of the contribution, and the name of the recipient.
Section 3. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

I know it’s severe. Everyone will have to individually exercise their duties of citizenship; no more letting the lodge, the club, the union, the business group do the support.
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