commented on 28th Amendment 2014-06-09 00:44:05 -0400 · Flag
Paul, It seems to me that “For anything to change, the” bought two-party political system has to change, not necessaryily the “economic system that underlies all the corporate money grabbing.” Free enterprise as an ecomonmic system is not the problem, a corrupt financial system that runs the governemnt is the problem. It is a monopoly that dictates all public policy and legislation. Greed has become the end goal, and not a healthy economy. Certainly McCutcheon makes it easier for greed to buy the system.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-06-08 06:46:40 -0400 · Flag
William it seems to me you put forth a pretty good history of the evolution of news coverage. It is corrpupted by advertising. Good ideas in your comments. Paul, maybe they want to lift the $2600 individual contritution limit on Congressioanal campaigns. Oh, is that already done by McCutcheon? Hard to keep up with the corruption supported by the Supreme court.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-28 03:57:26 -0400 · Flag
Robert Walker. You are working toward the thinking that will eventually lead to the needed language in the CA. A public system has to be designed detail and all by the career incumbents in office. The details can lead anywhere, and they will. The corruption will be written in to the pulic campaign finance laws in such a way as to guarantee thecontinuance of the re-election of career incumbents over 99% of the time choose to run for re-election. The money must come only from the voters, as the only players in the system with no reason to maintain the corrupt system as it exists. Our only substantial disagreement is on the point of public financing. You are grappling with the issues effectively, thinking them through. A CA can apply to all Elections on the local, state, and federal levels. Hang in there. Your efforts are worthwhile.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-28 03:37:52 -0400 · Flag
William Falberg, you make many good points in your last post. We have much reason for frustration at the corrupt two-party system and the power they are unlikely to give back to the people without a monumental effort. We can’t force them. We can persuade them that we will fire them if they do not solve our corruption caused problems. A huge task! Impossible? I hope not. If more than half the people took the pledge or elected people to replace D’sand R’s in a substantial amount, incumbents would have to see the writing on the wall. No choice but change must be their perception. The pledge: http://cs2pr.us/Voter_Pledge.html#99% , like shown below.

The constitution does not mention corporations, but the Pacific Railway case and case law since 1886 [sic] protects their rights (corporate personhood) consistently. Speech was equated with money in Buckley v Valeo in 1972 [sic] and has been supported with case law ever since. A lot of precedents have supported these problems for a very long time. That is a huge problem. We need an amendment to override the precedents in case law.

Both parties need to be treated like the self-serving entities they are. I am not sure they are incorporated as such. I just don’t know. They are their own self-serving self interests who support one another consistently. They are a 100% monopoly of our political system, a dictatorship in many ways, because they are a monopply.

Generating a consensus, like you state, is the problem, isn’t it? Yes, it is.
Frankly, it seems to me the Free Tools shown below may contain the means. http://cs2pr.us/FreeTools.html#Free . We need to create our own political system on our computer desktops to replace the bipartisan two-party system or to at least take their public office majority away from their career incumbents. Fire enough of them to persuade them to adopt the necessary changes to guarantee a more representive democratic republic.

The free tools are way out of the box and hard to wrap your arms around unless studied in a profound way. The tools are near completion. Final edits are underway. Very hard work. A completion date cannot be stated with certainty. I’ve been working on the projects for sixteen solid years.
It seems to me the tools may be the means to taking our country back for the common good.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-27 07:46:01 -0400 · Flag
Paul, Public financing will have all the details framed by legislatures. No other way to set up any system of public finance. It will not appear out of thin air. Legislatures are controlled by what I consider to be a very corrupt bipartisan two-party system. Therefore I see no hope of them setting up a less corrupt campaign finance system public or private. The larger problem and first in line for solution is to fire all the D and R career incumbent public office holders. We all need to take a pledge to do so. 80% of people do not bother to vote, or even register to vote. We have given up participating in elections. Take the pledge, http://cs2pr.us/Voter_Pledge.html#99% , as a first step to clean up the legislatures in order to have any hope of clean elections. Elect nonpartisan and minor party candidates to solve the chronic problems caused by a corrupt system bought by special interests.

The confusion is in existing Constitutional law and resultant case law over the past 120 years. To have equal political speech it must come from the only people we can trust to not have any vested interest in the continuation of the corruption, voters, citizens like you and me. Take the bill of rights and equal protection under the law away from artificial legal entities, so that only natural citizens are protected by the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment. The only people I can trust to make change happen is the American people. Voters must be given the power to elect people to public office who will represent them and solve the problems ignored for decades by the corrupt two-party system. Fire D’s and R’s. Kick them all out. I have twenty years into working steadily on that problem. Congressional incumbents will never shoot themselves in the foot except under extreme pressure from the people. Fire them and they will pay attention to our problems. There are excellent solutions to every problem.The solutions are ignored to satisfy the financial needs of special interests. Free tools is another one of my political writing projects, http://cs2pr.us/free_tools.html . The CA is my top priority as I know the right CA will change everything in politics to a more democratic republic for everyone, for the people.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-27 06:29:53 -0400 · Flag
william Falberg, the form it must take to be introduced in Congress is a Joint Resolution, that must be passed by 2/3 of both houses. See Article V of the Constitution. If passed by 2/3 of the states in conventions, it would probably be written in a similar form to be accepted into law by the Congress to formalize adoption of the resolution on a date certain. I wrote my proposal in the Joint Resolution format last year in a pdf. I am not certain that it has my latest edits, not sure, but you can see the format here: http://cs2pr.us/CitizensUSHouseJointRes.pdf . Some minor edits are not done at this point. I created a html today of my proposed text, with some explanation of the language, inspired by some of the questions arising from our conversations on this on this thread. http://cs2pr.us/28th_AmendText.html . By the way I am a retired draftsman who served as a Special Agent in Army intelligence for a few years. I am a college grad, but am a working guy who worked for hourly pay and overtime. I have been writing on political reformmatters for over 20 years. I am beginning to get the hang of it a little. I am looking to improve my proposed CA. Many heads are better than one, mine.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-25 16:14:10 -0400 · Flag
William Falberg. Your Professor is totally correct. Scientific method. Define the problem including the nature of the problem. Why is it a problem? The problem is corruption in elections caused by too much special interest money controlling who wins elections. Public financing will not work because the two monopoly parties are in total power and would control the details of who can and how much can be given to finance elections. Parties from the two parties would still get nearly 100% of the money to continue their monopoly/dictatorship. Independent and minor party competitors would not be included in the mix. The same careeer incumbent D’s and R’s would continue to get almost all the money available and continue to stay in all offices. No change. The two parties are the two most powerful special interests in the county. Those two parties would rig the public funding to have the monopoly win. If all the money comes from the top 1% of special interests they would still control all public policy through legislation, executive support, and judicial decisions that strengthen the financial dictatorship. The people, voters, would give money to candidates who represent their public interests and their common good. If all campaign money came from voters, public policy would support the interests of the voters who have supplied 100% of the money to conduct political campaigns. The solution is limiting the amount of money given per voter living in the electoral district and no money allowed from any legal entity to obligate office holders to repay contributors with corrupt favors. I have been thinking about it for the last two years, and have edited the writing continuously during that time. I have my proposed amendment in wrtiting and do not have any comments from William Falberg or from Albert Amador. All four paragraphs of my written proposal, http://cs2pr.us/28th_Amendment.html#CS28th , four paragraphs.

I would like to see the proposed CA from Paul, from Albert Amador, and from you William. I do agree with Paul that your proposed CA language is more a wish list than it is in the paragraphs of a Joint Resolution. I have mine in a Joint Resolution as it would be presented in Congress. I am looking for sponsors among our current Congresspersons. It is time for you three guys to put it in that form for consideration by this string, and by actual Congresspersons. I could be one of the proposals considered by the Section 5 Constitution Convention when it is called. Congress is not likely to propose an adequate Joint Resolution. It is time for you to write your versions for consideration. Put up or shut up, or consider the proposals that have been written. Edit the writing presented here in this string, by Mta, by Wolf Pac, and by the existing Joint Resolutions already presented in Congress. Define the problem and the solution. The best possible version needs to be written. It seems to me I have not seen the best possible proposal to this time.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-24 11:39:30 -0400 · Flag
Paul, Section 2 of MTA modified a bit and mine give the authority to set limits: “Federal, State and local government shall regulate, limit, or prohibit campaign contributions and in-kind expenditures, including a candidate‚Äôs own campaign contributions and in-kind expenditures, to provide for equal political speech in all campaigns to influence the election of any candidate for public office or the passage of any ballot measure.” The amounts for the first time are not protected speech under the 1st Amendment. Section 2 does address your concerns and does take the matter out of the hands of Congress. Note that limits can be set on candidates funding their own campaigns. So millionaires can’t buy their way in to public office like Rockefellers, or other wealthy families.

It seems you did not read the Section 2 very carefully.

Section 1 states exactly in MTA and no change in my version, "The rights and privileges protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights and privileges of natural persons only.

Artificial legal entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state shall have no rights and privileges under this Constitution and are subject to legislative regulation by natural persons, through Federal, State, and local law.

The privileges of artificial entities shall be determined by natural persons through Federal, State, and local law, and shall not be construed to be inherent or inalienable." All done through “Federal, State, and local law”, not just by Congress. Under the CA’s proposed Congress is left with no control over the rights and privileges of artificial entities. The CA controls rights and privileges giving them only to natural persons through Federal, State, and Local laws created on all of those levels.

Congress has no discretion to ignore the language of the CA proposed. It takes the power away from Congress it has now. The law removes corporate personhood and ends money seen as speech now protected under the 1st Amendment. Currently it is typical to have 80% of campaign money come from outside of every electoral district. Section 3 would dictate that 100% of all campaign money would come from within each local, state or federal electoral district. Money only from you and me, with limits set under Section 2 so that even the wealthy voters in each district can only give as much as you and I under the law. Those limits can be set locally. Now there are no limits whatsoever with all the loopholes and precedents under case law for the last 100 years or more. These CAs would overturn all of existing law pertaining to Corporate Personhood and money being legally defined as speech. All gone at once. Congress powerless at last to receive bribes from the powerful who now control our political system. It seems to me there would be a total reversal of our political history toward a more democratic republic. We would have at last with a new right added to the Bill of Rights. Equal Political Speech in the amounts of money that can be put into political campaigns.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-23 17:25:25 -0400 · Flag
Paul, your thank you for my comments in this discussion are appreciated. I like the terms legal, ethical behavior in deference to moral consequences in the law, which you seem to favor. It seem to me the words and concepts needed to remove money from political campaigns involve the addition of the right to equal political speech to the Bill of Rights. An eleventh right category in addition to the rights enumerated in the first tem amendments, The Bill of Rights. Money speaks in politics as we have increasingly seen over time. Money can and does monopolize the conversation, speech, mostly through mass media as things are. The new right would be in an amendment with language emphatically stating that no money could be put into political campains by anyone or any entity that did not live in and vote in the district where the election takes place. Local district, only local voters who live in and vote in the district. State elections, only voters who live in the state and vote in one of the districts in the state. Federal elections, President/VP, natural persons who live in and vote in a district located in one of the fifty states. Unfortunately, money can drown out all other forms of speech if allowed to do so. Equal political speech would be made possible if the amount of money is limited from each voter and voters are the exclusive source of campaign money. The wording may not be correct yet, but section three in the amendment I favor does give each voter an equal voice in each election on each voter’s ballot. No money comes from outside of the district where the election is held. 100% of campaign money comes from within the local precincts in any election. Just my thoughts on the perfect Amendment needed: http://cs2pr.us/28th_Amendment.html#Three . The bracket will soon say [Equal Political Speech] rather than the current [Exclusive Voter Rights]. The language has been edited many times since I last posted the link over the last year or so. Equal Political Speech through limits on the amount of each contribution and only from voters who can vote in the election.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-05-23 13:53:16 -0400 · Flag
Paul, the one attempt to regulate morality via Constitutional Amendment was a dismal failure. Prohibition in the twenties led to widespread immorality and entrenchemnt of organized crime in our economy. To get back to a legal basis for the law, Prohibition was repealed in the 30s. The law cannot dictate human behavior. The law can make enforceable laws to punish criminal or civil misbehavior that violates the rights of others. The law always deals with individual behavior in criminal law and punishes legal entities or individuals in civil law where appropriate. This is much too simplistic to discuss the whole question 0f legal versus moral roles of the law. I firmly believe that moral behavior cannot be legislated. We can’t make people be good. We can punish their misdeeds under the law. The law can exact punishments for violations of the law. The law cannot prevent the behavior, only punish it. The price of the behavior can be made so high that the behavior is controlled somewhat. A good law sets up the rules for civilized behavior needed to protect the legal rights of natural citizens.
commented on 28th Amendment 2014-03-24 16:27:35 -0400 · Flag
Jeremiah, a lot of mentally ill people would opt in and swell the ballot with invalid choices. Candidates must be selected in some reasonable way by other people. Self selection is a terrible idea and random selection would net many persona unqualified to fulfull the demands of the office. Any office.

Chaim, Corporations are controlled by private wealthy individuals, so your item three is non-sensical, wealthy individuals are allowed in item 1. and then banned in item 3. The 28th amendment if ratified would take away the protections of the 1st amendment in the case of financing political campaigns. NO clflict if the 28th is passed taking away corporate personhood and defining money as speech. The latter are the irems needed in any amendment to get corruption out of our political system. Can’t vote, can’t contribute is needed to establish Equal Political Speech for very ctizen.
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-12-05 12:09:18 -0500 · Flag
The persons on this thread made the need to modify my version of what an amendment should and must look like. All contributors must physically reside in the election district. The limit for contributions must be low enough to make everyone feel like they can influence every campaign on their ballot in their home voting precinct. Our participation must have some influence or we will not bother to participate, which means that money and power will continue to corrupt our “representative” political system. Many thanks to the people on this thread.
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-12-05 11:48:30 -0500 · Flag
The convention is the first goal, but we need the best language in the amendemnt that will provide equal political speech to all of our citizens.
Latest update on my input on the language needed:
The cs2 28th difference: Natural persons who are eligible to vote shall have exclusive rights to support political campaigns with contributions and expenditures. Legal entities and natural persons that are not eligible to vote shall have no rights to make campaign contributions or expenditures to influence elections or to support political campaigns of any kind. Only natural persons who are eligible to vote and who physically reside within an electoral district can influence an election in that district under the “Equal Political Speech” amendment. [Section 3 (Section 2 Edit) links]
http://cs2pr.us/28th_Amendment.html#Three .
All money must come from voters who physically reside in the district where the election is held. Please read sections 2 and 3.
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-10-31 02:34:52 -0400 · Flag
The MTA and my amendments end corporate personhood and end money as speech. You do not comprehend the power of that amendment. I owe you no apology for suggesting you have little comprehension of the subject at hand. You wear blinders that demand a simplistic answer. I am not responsible for your lack of understanding.
My amendment simply takes all legal entities out of the political game. All of them. We must elect non-politicians to lower the limits to what all citizens can afford to contribute or not contribute. Free choice. We are given the exclusive right to provide contributions of expenditures to influence all elections in which we can vote. Those persons who cannot vote in an election can give nothing $0.00. $0.00. In a local or state election that would amount to the rest of the country cannot influence those elections. As it is under the two-party system up to 90% of all campaign money comes from outside of an election district or state from legal entities who have no vote in the election. The amendment I suggest represents a huge change. What change would you make? You seem to like the idea of open debate that, to me would simply be, a Tower of Babel of biblical proportions, much noise and no resoulution of our chronic political problems. Corruption with more talk, talk, talk. Money stays protected without ending corporate personhood and money as speech. A quite simple solution which do not comprehend.
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-10-28 20:55:40 -0400 · Flag
Paul, first read the page, Section 2, then apologise for not having read the page. Section 2 provides for controlling the size of contributions. Do you always leap before you look? The amendment provides what you say you seek, or is your aim just a platform to complain? You do that very well.
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-10-28 20:04:28 -0400 · Flag
Sorry Guys, the “Geoff” page linked does not contain the Secion 2 update shown in red. http://cs2pr.us/Rich/28th_Amendment.html#Three has all the latest updates. Exclusive voter rights corrects the system. IMHO.
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-10-28 19:39:28 -0400 · Flag
The secret to reform in an amendment is to make “voters” the exclusive enties allowed to make contributions or expenditures to influence or support political campaigns. No money from any artificial legal entity. What is to not understand about the simplicity of that concept?
http://cs2pr.us/geoff/28th_Amendment.html#Three . The first two MTA Sections are needed to set up the framework within which the Section 3 can work. Rich Stevenson
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I agree and favor an Equal Political Speech Amendment, that also gives voters the exclusive right to provide financial support to political campaigns.

http://cs2pr.us/28th_Amendment.html#Three .
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-05-21 01:27:13 -0400 · Flag
Naveen, regulating speech is a non-starter in a free society. Sorry, you are asking the tail to wag the dog. Efforts would be out of proportion to any possible positive results. Secret police would be the overall result.
A lottery would be very sporadic and slipshod in result. Elections are a better system, but with money taken out of the system. You want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
commented on 28th Amendment 2013-05-20 19:00:29 -0400 · Flag
Only Congress can write a Joint Resolution. Not me.
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